Thursday, August 9, 2012

Off To A Great Start

Jon Gold
8/9/2012

Recently, I wrote a petition for people to sign called a "Statement For 9/11 Justice."

As of right now, there are 278 signatures. Not bad considering it was posted 5 days ago. Some of the people that have signed it that you may have heard of are 9/11 Family Member Lorie Van Auken, 9/11 Family Member Donna Marsh O'Connor, 9/11 First Responder Reggie Cervantes, 9/11 Whistleblowers Coleen Rowley and Sibel Edmonds, Cindy Sheehan, Ray McGovern, Dahlia Wasfi, Peter Dale Scott, John Judge, Daniel Sunjata, and journalists Pepe Escobar, William Rivers Pitt, and Jeremy R. Hammond.

A big thank you to them for lending their names to this statement.

The reason I wrote this statement was because I believe it is imperative that one like it exists. I believe we need to collectively put our feet down on this issue. Our media and our politicians will not tell the people the truth, so it is up to us to do so. The killing and the dying needs to stop, and the loss of our civil liberties needs to stop. The world needs to know there is no justification for any of it.

I am hoping this statement goes viral. I am hoping that millions sign it. Can you imagine how powerful a statement that would be? I am hoping that people still care enough to do so.

I can't get people to sign this on my own. I need your help. Please tell your family and friends about it. Please post it where you can. Your help is very much needed, and will be very much appreciated.

So, we are off to a great start, but it could be a lot better. Please do what you can. Thank you.

13 comments:

  1. Jon,

    in recent months (since march) I have monitored four other petitions for 9/11 Truth issues. Only one exceeded 1,000 signatures, two are stuck under 200 after several months, and one (ae911t's "President Obama, 9/11 families ask you to watch Gage video") is under 700 after seven weeks and slowly growing at just 4 or 5 per day. The others are practically stuck where they are.

    The truth of the matter is: These petitions don't go viral. They just don't. You are climbing out on a limb by announcing your hope for "millions" to make the statement "powerful", but what if you stay well below 1,000? Will you then concede that the statement is "powerless"?

    Aren't you worried that these petitions actually document how small, irrelevant and uninterested 9/11 Truth is in the reality of 2012?

    The one recent petition that got more than 1,000 signatures was started by ae911t's Mark Graham, and promoted at 911Blogger. Poster "kawika" did what you did: Hope this would go viral and reach a million. I documented the huge gap between dream and reality in my blog:
    Monitoring Truther Petition about WTC7 at Avaaz

    This was my conclusion:
    "Those truthers who expect their petitions and news and everything to go viral, grow exponentially, gain momentum, have impact, are seriously out of contact with reality. As with many of the irrelevant petitions at Avaaz and other platforms, such initiatives loose steam only days after they are first announced and spread. It appears that the Truth Movement cannot muster more than a few thousand individuals world-wide to even fill out a form on the internet."

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    2. Well first of all, if it does show "how small, irrelevant and uninterested 9/11 Truth is in the reality of 2012" then I say shame on the people for not accepting the reality that we were lied to about 9/11. I would say shame on the people for letting the murder of 2,976 people go without real justice.

      Secondly, this petition already is "powerful" in that it has people's signatures that wouldn't ordinarily align themselves with "9/11 Truth" like Pepe Escobar, William Rivers Pitt, and Jeremy R. Hammond.

      Finally, as I said, "our media and our politicians will not tell the people the truth, so it is up to us to do so." I have to try. Regardless of the outcome.

      I'm curious why you seem to be more concerned about proving "how small, irrelevant and uninterested 9/11 Truth is in the reality of 2012" rather than actually helping us get real justice for what happened.

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  2. I appreciate that you (or was it Cindy?) allowed my comment, thank you.

    What does justice mean in that context? The 19 murderers and their gang leaders are either dead or in custody, never to be freed again. Do you agree with this statement? If not, please be specific about who is still at large! Or perhaps justice means something else than applying the law to the guilty? Then please elaborate! It's not mentioned in the statement.

    I agree that we were probably lied about some aspects of intelligence foreknowledge, financial backers of Al Qaida, and perhaps defense preparedness. This however largely belongs in the realm of the political, not the judicial. There simply is no complicity in the murder of those 2,976 people - at worst there is negligence. In 11 years, no one in the entire 9/11 Truth Movement, including you, has been able to propose a different story, with different responsible parties, that any other segment of the "Movement" could subscribe to. I think that is a very clear hint that neither you, nor anyone, has a clue what that "truth" is that the media and the politicians aren't telling us. You just "know" it has to be somehow different, right?

    So what do you actually demand? Which specific and actionable proposals for real change do you have? Your petition text doesn't give any clues. Who will benefit in what way form these proposals - and what will they cost, who will bear the cost?

    Who is this statement directed at? It has no addressee. The mass media? What could they possibly make of this statement. Any governments? State attorneys? Representatives?

    And who are you aligned with? Why is it that those people you mention 'wouldn't ordinarily align themselves with "9/11 Truth"' - perhaps because "9/11 Truth" is mostly the very opposite of actual truth? Why do you announce your petition at 911Blogger - a board sternly committed to censorship and the lies of ae911truth? Why don't you protest the silencing of critical voices on the boards that you frequent? What do you hope to achieve globaly if the situation locally is a total mess and you can't do a thing about it?


    Jon, I simply fail to see any strategy that has any chance at all of having the intended success - whatever that intended success even is. It is highly predictable that this initiative will fail. It will feel good to the few hundred faithful in your little universe, but it will not change anything. You publicly announce your imagination that this could reach millions, and anyone can check out that your imagination will have not the slightest resemblance of reality. So why do you write such things? Do you REALLY believe this could go into the millions?? Then I stand by my conclusion: You must be very seriously out of touch with reality. This would then be a very bad sign for all your followers and a good reason to abandon your campaign. Or was your hope pure hyperbole? Then what das that tell your followers about you?



    So to your question: 'why you seem to be more concerned about proving "how small, irrelevant and uninterested 9/11 Truth is in the reality of 2012" rather than actually helping us get real justice for what happened.': Because I have no idea what "real justice" even means here, what "truths" you are promoting, and I seriously doubt that you have any viable strategy.
    This is a political issue, mainly a US American one. I am not a US citizen. My contribution is to help weed out the lies and illusions that 9/11 Truth is so famous for in 2012, and that are arguably your biggest immediate problem.

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    2. I thought I addressed it to "America and the world?"

      As I wrote in my article entitled "The Facts Speak For Themselves, "we don’t need to come up with a narrative (theory) because our facts speak for themselves." All we have to do is show that the investigations we got into 9/11 were compromised and corrupt, that we were lied to about a great many things about that day, and that there needs to be real accountability and justice. Ya know... real accountability. If you were working at a job, and you screwed up, costing the company millions, you would be held accountable. Not rewarded, and not promoted. If people in our Government were "negligent," then they need to be held accountable for that "negligence."

      If the investigations we got into 9/11 were compromised and corrupt, which they were, then we need "an investigation guided by the facts and conducted outside the reach of those with a vested interest in suppressing the truth." It's not rocket science, and I think the murder of 2,976 people deserves no less.

      I posted it anywhere that will accept it. I have many problems with 911blogger.com, and have been extremely vocal about them over the years.

      If millions don't sign this petition, it doesn't mean that millions wouldn't or that I am out of touch with reality. Polls have consistently shown over the years that a majority of people have doubts about what we were told about that day. That is a fact. If millions don't sign this petition, it's because millions haven't seen it. Sorry, I can only do so much.

      Real change can only happen when people accept that we were lied to and that the investigations we got into 9/11 were compromised and corrupt. That's the first step. Once that happens, then we can begin to reevaluate everything that has transpired in the name of 9/11.

      I'm aligned with those seeking real justice and accountability. I have many problems with the "9/11 Truth Movement," and wrote about them in my book. You should read it.

      You are a "debunker" yes? So, your "job" is denounce any effort on behalf of 9/11 Justice. Keep up the good work.

      Anyway, I have said repeatedly that I don't know the truth about 9/11. So if you know that "19 murderers and their gang leaders" are the only ones responsible for 9/11 then I say I'm happy for you. I wish I was as certain.

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    3. Jon,

      first off, I respect your zeal, your values, and your efforts. I concur with the Anonymous in the other comment who wrote "Unfortunately, the Truth Movement has sunk to silly slogans like "9/11 was an inside job" by using the unanswered questions to enhance conspiracy theories about 9/11. Jon Gold is different and I respect that.". I do not wish for your petition to fail, I am merely predicting that it surely will - and that it will, in fact, only document how small, irrelevant, unorganized and ill-focused the Truth Movement is after 11 years. And I have advised you that publicly hoping for such unrealistic targets as "millions" of signers really tells a story of disconnect.

      So while I wish you all the best, and would be enthralled if you did get those millions, you need to realize that you won't - and with that you wont get a new investigation, won't get justice and accountability. You'll document powerlessness. Unless you have a strategy of which this petition is a part of.



      You want accountability, and I asked you what that means, in actionable terms. If a crime was committed, by all means call the police, name the crime, and have it prosecuted. After all, don't "the facts speak for themselves"? If indeed "the facts speak for themselves", then write them down, with a short sweet summary, and drop them on some state attorney's desk. But wait - you also say "I don't know the truth about 9/11" - so if the facts speak for themselves, they don't speak clearly, or do they?

      So I take it this is not a matter of prosecuting a crime. You want political accountability. In a democratic republic, this is handed in elections. The chance was missed by the American people in 2004 when they re-elected Bush.

      So back to my questions:
      "What does justice mean in that context?"
      "So what do you actually demand? Which specific and actionable proposals for real change do you have? Your petition text doesn't give any clues. Who will benefit in what way form these proposals - and what will they cost, who will bear the cost?"
      I don't see that these questions are addressed.

      You answered my question "Who is this statement directed at?" with "to America and the world" - which really is equivalent to "no one particular", and a sure recipe to get no action at all.

      I closed my previous comment with "I have no idea what "real justice" even means here, what "truths" you are promoting, and I seriously doubt that you have any viable strategy" - and this hasn't changed one bit with your reply.


      I sense that yours is an honest voice, and I really respect your efforts, you do a lot more than I could. I haven't read your book, and am not sufficiently aware of who your allies are and what they do. Just telling you that, looking from the outside, your profile is too vague, out of focus, and thus "set up to fail". And I strongly suspect you are vague on what 9/11 "truth" and "accountability" are in actionable terms because there really isn't a big bad secret waiting to be discovered by that mythical "new inverstigation" that would give it to you. And no, it doesn't suffice to know that we have been lied to somehow. If you want to reach a goal, define it, and define the concrete actions that will get you there. Build it, and the millions may come. I'd love to see Bush and Rumsfeld get busted for their policy choices after 9/11, and wouldn't mind at all seeing them or others get busted IF they are really liable in letting 9/11 happen - but assembling a few hundred signatures for an unspecific feel-good statement of vague intent with no consequences and no addressee won't give us this.

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    4. The statement itself is a form of accountability.

      A Revolution is the only thing that will ever bring real justice and accountability for what happened. You know... having people stand trial, and face accountability for their crimes.

      We have tried everything else under the sun. You should really read my book. As I said elsewhere, "do I expect to be able to take this statement to a politician so they could do something with it? Do I expect the media to report on it? No. However, having a powerful statement like this, with say... 1,000,000 signatures... will be extremely helpful with regards to outreach. 7,000,000,000 signatures would be better. Please sign and share."

      The facts speak clearly enough. To any honest individual, they say that we were lied to about a great many things, and they say that elements within our Government and other Governments have MORE THAN EARNED the title of suspect for the crime of 9/11. You want me to write something? I've written at least 100 articles over the years. I've written a book. Read it.

      So why don't you sign it, and stop trying to say that seeking justice and accountability for the murder of 2,976 people, an event that has been used as the justification for everything the "Post-9/11 World" entails, is somehow meaningless in the scheme of things, REGARDLESS of how the "9/11 Truth Movement" acts.

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    5. Jon,

      I have been on vacation (contrary to what that venom spouter and wanna-be dictator "SnowCrash" spouts I do have a life), and limited my online-time, so here's a late reply.

      "A Revolution is the only thing" - a revolution to eliminate the constitutional order, or are you merely talking about the kind of "revolution" that the Republicans had in mind a few years back - growing a new mainstream within the current democratic republic? How much violence will be ok? Should I oppose you already now?

      "...having people stand trial, and face accountability for their crimes." - I asked you to write down the crime, and drop it on the desk of a police station near you, along with the evidence, which, I hear, "speaks for itself". Oh. You tried that already? Perhaps - the facts didn't really speak for them selves?

      "having a powerful statement like this, with say... 1,000,000 signatures... will be extremely helpful" - you say "will". There goes that disconnect from reality again, Jon. Not even a thousand, Jon, I told ya! This is a powerless statement, or are you STILL deluding yourself into believing it means anything at all?

      "they say that elements within our Government and other Governments have MORE THAN EARNED the title of suspect for the crime of 9/11" - I don't think you have actually named any such element (hint: "element" is a euphemism for "human being" here, as you are talking about crimes; crimes are something committed by individual humans), any such person, along with the specific crime (penal code number and all) and the evidence that goes for it. So you are WRONG to claim that the "facts speak clearly enough". They just don't. The total obscurity of your movement is proof enough of that.

      "I've written at least 100 articles over the years. I've written a book. Read it." - Link to it from your "statement". The millions who you wish would sign haven't read any of it.

      "So why don't you sign it" - I told you already: It is not addressed at anyone at all, it is vague on the allegations, has no actionable demands, and will only serve to document a decade of failure. I am not putting my name under such a weak statement. Even less so with the vile and disgusting company of names such as Niels Harrit, Justin Keogh, Michiel de Boer and about 60 signers of Dick Gage's bogus A&E "petition". I could as well spray "peace and justice" on the train depot's back wall.

      "seeking justice and accountability for the murder of 2,976 people, an event that has been used as the justification for everything the "Post-9/11 World" entails, is somehow meaningless in the scheme of things" - I'd separate these two issues. Opposition to the post-9/11 political changes is in no way at all predicated on the notion that somehow we don't know the truth about 9/11 in sufficient detail, and the call for justice and accoubtability for that crime is in no way logically connected to whether or not you agree with post 9/11-policies.

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  3. Oystein, there's two other things that will never change.

    One: Jon Gold is a million times the man you are.

    Two: You are wasting your life away combating a movement you deem irrelevant.

    Get a life of your own. You'll be spending much less time behind a keyboard, and whatever friends and family you have left will be thankful.

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  4. I support Jon Gold. I'm from Europe and I fully support Mr. Gold's efforts over the years in promoting the cause for 9/11 justice and accountability. I have done some research into 9/11 and its clear to me more investigation is needed.

    Unfortunately, the Truth Movement has sunk to silly slogans like "9/11 was an inside job" by using the unanswered questions to enhance conspiracy theories about 9/11. Jon Gold is different and I respect that.

    He raises things like the possibility of Saudi Arabia financing the attacks to the unheeded warnings and foreknowledge. Issues like insider trading and the cover-up of the Saudi royals need to be brought to light. Also Pakistan's ISI, the Mossad, the mis/malfeasance of the CIA, FBI & DIA (shown through testimony by Richard Clarke, Susan Lindauer, Coleen Rowley, Robert Wright, Anthony Shaffer etc..), and Sibel Edmonds' testimony need to be looked at further I think.

    While I have little hope that realistically anything will be done, I respect Mr. Gold's efforts in sticking with the family members and first responders to hold those who failed to protect the American people on that day accountable.

    9/11 is just one issue though. It sits alongside the Bush cabal's criminal invasion of Iraq and their destruction of America's constitution and Bill of Rights. Obama has continued America's flawed foreign policy what with Iran and Syria warmongering etc..

    It's no longer an issue of Republicans v Democrats. It's American patriots vs the Military-Industrial-Complex, corrupt bankers and greedy career politicians in my opinion.

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  5. I believe you need to be more specific in this "statement" and/or petition. Are you seeking a new, independent investigation? If so, then say so. It is extremely unclear what the purpose of this petition is, and that's going to turn a lot of people off, as it has turned me off.

    No wonder someone like William Rivers Pitt (WRP) could and did sign this, someone who certainly isn't standing up for, or at least writing anything about, 9/11 Truth. They won't put their careers on the line for the truth, and that makes them traitors to God, to the truth, to the entire world, to the People of the U.S. and the world, to the U.S. as a country, to the U.S. Bill of Rights and Constitution, to the Declaration of Independence, to human rights and civil liberties (the latter are human rights too!), and to True Liberty and Freedom [did I inadvertently leave anyone or anything out?]. WRP doesn't even tell it like it is anymore in his articles like he did around 2003 to 2006 about what's really going on in the U.S. government and the U.S. as a country, the draconian laws that are being passed into unconstitutional "law" more and more, and about the country being turned into a corporate-fascist authoritarian and totalitarian militarized police state, etc. He doesn't even cover the exceedingly important topics such as Gitmo (Guantanamo) and its unjustly-imprisoned anymore, like at least Jason Leopold covers, someone else who is also not covering 9/11 Truth and is a traitor to all of the foregoing.

    Therefore, please at least add to the petition that you're seeking a new, independent investigation truly getting to the bottom, and all the way to the top, of what really happened on and who is truly responsible for 9-11; if not even more specificity in the petition as a whole. Otherwise, you're petition is a waste of time and I can't, and many others probably won't, sign it.

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